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Hypothetically speaking:
Say someone had never registered for the Selective Service and had never been convicted of a crime, would it be a problem for said person to get a firearms license?
Say someone had never registered for the Selective Service and had never been convicted of a crime, would it be a problem for said person to get a firearms license?
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 1:58 PMLets see, you're in CA, so, in a word, forgetaboutit. -
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 2:02 PM"forgetaboutit" as in no problem?
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"forgetaboutit" don't try it? -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 2:14 PMas in "forget about even trying". NO ONE gets a CCW in CA uless you're law enforcement or can PROVE that you're something like a diamond merchant/courier, and transport large sums of money/merch on a regular basis.
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 2:20 PMDo you want a concealed carry weapons permit, or a federal firearms license? -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 2:31 PMPardon me if I confused things, I guess I have my terminology all wrong. I was just wondering about being able to own a firearm (handgun or rifle). Nothing fancy... -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 2:54 PMI would be very surprised if they checked for selective service registration when they do the background check. VERY surprised.
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 3:05 PMWait, so you just want to buy a gun? that's it? go to a gun store and ask, they'll tell you what you need.
Chances are all you will need is a valid CA driver's license, and a brain to take the test (if you intend to buy a pistol, there is a competency test). Then there is a two week waiting period while they run a background check on you, to make sure you're not a felon, ex-con, a danger to others, a danger to yourself, or someone has a restraining order against you. Not sure how deep they dig, but that's what they're looking for. -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 3:22 PMThanks folks, sorry for the confusion... -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 3:50 PMA couple suggestions.
If this will be your first time out shooting, you may want to take an intro shooting class. In the Bay Area, BAYPROFS is an awesome group for that (www.bayprofs.org/). Many ranges, e.g., Chabot, offer classes too.
Unless you have friends who will let you try various models, a good way to find out what you like is to rent several in an indoor range and try them. The BAYPROFS site also lists places to shoot.
(N.B. Due to some cases where people have rented range guns and used them for suicide, many ranges won't rent to a solo shooter unless they're already bringing their own gun.)
Hope you enjoy shooting, it's awesomely great fun! -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 7:05 PMI've gone shooting (handguns, semi-auto rifles in NV, etc.) a bunch of times and love it. Still, an intro class sounds like a good plan, thanks.
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 5:34 PMA few facts,
1. Are you a citizen of the US.
2. Have you ever been ajudicated as being mentally defective
3. Have you every convisted of a felony or misdemeanor
4. Are you currently an habitual user of a controled subsatance
5. Have you ever been ajudicated of having to comply with a reatraining order as a result of domestic violence.
These are just a few question on the California DROS form filled out at the time of purchse.
If you are interest in buying a hand gun you must pass the test for a Handgun Safety Card (HSC)
The best thing to do is to visit your local shooting range and ask the, the requiremnts for ownership or visit the California Attorney Generals website for further info.
Also, the Seller retains the right and discreation not to sell you a fire arm at their place of business for any circumstance. (i.e I was purchaseing a fire arm many years ago and there was another customer in the store that wreaked of a controled substance and tried to convince the store owner to sell him a gun)
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 5:39 PMYou don't have to be a citizen, legal resident will do. -
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Re: firearms licenses
Tue, August 17, 2004 - 6:25 PMActually in the state of California you MUST be a citizen of the USA by birth or a fully naturalized citizen as decalred by the Department of Immigration and Naturalization. In the state of California it is illegal to sell a firearm to any individual who is illegal in resident status and/or in the USA on a Visa.
Cheers
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 10:23 PMWrong again Duke, from the Attorney General's site (caag.state.ca.us/firearms/...dex.html), and from the Personal Firearms Eligibility Check Application Form:
You must include a photocopy of your California Driver’s License or California Identification Card. If you are a non U.S. citizen, you must also provide a copy of your Alien Registration or I-94 card. -
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Tue, August 17, 2004 - 11:35 PMI worked in a gun store until the begining of this year ... I've never seen a non-citizen get through the process.
They don't have to deny, they can just delay until 30 days is up and make you go through the whole process again. A friend of mine (born and raised in the California) went through the process three times before giving up, all because there was an "irregularity" on his Army discharge.
I believe they've got some way to check and see if you can pass DROS on the DoJ site now, take a look and see if that is something you'd like to try. Failing the background check on a real transaction will get you a visit from law enforcement almost every time. :P -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 8:42 AMI thought the rule was, if they don't get back to the store owner within 3 days, the transaction can proceed forward. That is how it is here. My boss had a rifle held for 3 days awaiting the FFL, and because they were backed up or whatever the store owner sold it to him without approval, legally. They did get back to the store after 7 days with an ok, but the transaction was already over and done. -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 10:56 AMCalifornia kept the ten day wait (even though most states went with the "instant" option the DoJ offered). Most of the serious collectors I've met keep their collections in Nevada.
The down side to having a traditionaly Liberal gov't I guess ... but at least you can be gay or pagan without being beaten to death.
Sorry, had to jab Colorado for that one. :) -
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Re: firearms licenses
Wed, August 18, 2004 - 11:04 AMMy company is opening a location in Seattle, maybe I should transfer. ;)
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Re: firearms licenses
Wed, August 18, 2004 - 6:52 AM1. If you want to own a gun - move out of CA, all I hear about is the bullshit people have to go through with firearms there. Somebody was sleeping when the local elections came around.
2. Once settled in Montana or wherever, go to a store with a valid drivers license, pick something out, they make a call after you fill out the yellow form, and 15 minutes later you are driving to the shooting range with a brand new gun.
3. If that doesn't satisfy you, go to the police station in your town of residency and get the ccw form. 2 days later you get a call and go pick up your paper work. Then you are driving to wherever with a legally concealed pistol.
4. If you don't do step 1, forget it. -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 7:03 AMOregon and Washington state have all the cool stuff California does and almost none of its downside. I love it up here. -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 10:16 AMIf you love guns, come up here to Alaska, you can conceal carry without a permit. -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 10:23 AMYeah, you Alaska folks have the best of both worlds: carry without a permit AND the ability to get a permit so you can carry in states with reciprocal carry agreements.
Have to visit there sometime. -
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 10:33 AM
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Wed, August 18, 2004 - 11:29 AMI will be moving there in 10-15 years when the climate change wars come. Right now NH is doing me fine. -
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Sun, August 22, 2004 - 11:13 AMHowdy,
My name is Biggrizzly and I live in the Willamette Valley. I'm glad that I live in Oregon after reading all of the registration posts.
I bought a Ruger Redhawk last week and walked out of the store with my purchase in 15 minutes, or less.
Toksha,
BG
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